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Trev, EA5ISZ
Fri Feb 04 2011, 02:26PM
Trev, EA5ISZ

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The table changes as I have said earlier are in response to user demand. If we ignore our members wishes we are not doing much of a job. Of course whatever we do will not satisfy everyone; in this instance we have tried to make the table more popular to the average station out there rather than pander to those with big antenna systems and high power. The revised tables will have no impact at all on those who wish to see their placings in the same format they always have. Even the order of placings hasn't changed. This table simply supplies a few more options for those who have requested it. For those who don't like it I apologise but you are free to find a table on another site more to your liking should you wish. None of this is compulsory.
73, Trev

[ Edited Fri Feb 04 2011, 02:27PM ]
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K7CW, Paul
Fri Feb 04 2011, 04:51PM
K7CW, Paul
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Trev, thanks!
Paul
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Pop, YU7EF
Fri Feb 04 2011, 06:10PM
Pop, YU7EF
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Joined: Sat Oct 09 2010, 06:31PM

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Trev thank you for passing information ... well done

I just added my information to the table

Pop, YU7EF
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Ken, G4IGO
Fri Feb 04 2011, 06:57PM
Ken, G4IGO
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Joined: Tue Mar 18 2008, 08:16PM

Posts: 62
Hi All - where can I find the forum / discussion point where this was debated a couple of years ago - or has it been wiped?
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Ken, G4IGO
Sun Feb 06 2011, 09:58AM
Ken, G4IGO
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Why are we revisiting this area again?
Once again division has been inserted into the Six metre community.
Why has the decision, based on the committee – and how many from the wider membership base been conducted behind closed doors? OK – the committee has the duty to debate – but why include others from the membership – and exclude the vast majority? Why didn’t they conduct a poll? I wonder why. Yes the issue has been bought to the rest of the membership via this forum – but after a fete accompli. Why were the rest of us not able to participate – in other words a public debate as per last time ( when it seemed to be agreed that the status quo exist.) Who were the “wider membership” – and what were their views? Why can’t we debate with them, as is happening now – after the event? – or do they not want to be open with their views as the rest of us have to be?
We went through all of this some time ago – via the AP and forum (of which all records seem to be no longer available). The outcome then was leave it as it was – and those that didn’t like it could do what they wanted – some did I noticed.
Once again I find that I have to repeat myself and remind people what the purpose of the “standings” table was. I was there at the beginning of the UKSMG and was a part of how the UKSMG was setup and this is my recollection to the best of my memory.
It was simply a table to reflect what station had worked an increasing number of DXCC – BY WHATEVER MEANS AND MODE. There was NO thought of making it a challenge or competitive list – just purely put into the table, whoever you were, what DX you had worked and as you worked more you increased it. I think the grids etc were added later –but with the same view – IMHO this addition isn’t a problem and is in the spirit of what the table was setup for.
If the table is left as that and people adhere to those very simple positions what can the problem be??
If people want to add unwanted statements (in the ant column for example) that go against the spirit of the table – then UKSMG remove it – easy.
I think Peter has put a finger on a very valid point. Why not then add columns for F layer DXCC worked, E layer DXCC worked etc – but then that goes down the route of making the table competitive – buts as I have already said that goes against the reason and spirit that the table was setup – NOT to be competitive.
Do we also look, to pander to the anti digital people have more columns for “Terrestrial DXCC (non digital)” and to pander the pro digital people a “Terrestrial (digital)” column?? – that IMHO is the logical progression that should also be taken.
If we follow he thought process further then the Annual table should also be split into various columns to follow the same logic as the “standings” table – more work? – wanted? – I think not.
I don’t like the thought that those with big antennas and power should be “pandered” to. Also the implication that if you have a big ant / or power that you are doing something – let’s say at best – that is non amateur. Again this can only reopen / keep open divisions in the Six meter community – I think UKSMG should be careful of this.
Why should we be encouraged to “find a table on another site more to your liking should you wish” - surely this is not the language that UKSMG should be talking?
If, at the end of the day “None of this is compulsory.” then why all the fuss. I don’t like talk by others that ”people would be forced to enter the requested data”
I ask UKSMG to reconsider, revisit the purpose of the “Standings table” and return it to its original purpose. If others, that need to be pandered to, have a need for a competitive table then set that up separately to suit them.
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Trev, EA5ISZ
Sun Feb 06 2011, 03:46PM
Trev, EA5ISZ

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Just read what I said earlier Ken and stop throwing your toys out of the pram. If you are not happy entering data into any other column than the Total column then don't! It won't make any difference to the listings order. The only division here is in your mind!

Personally I have no axe to grind over the way the listing is presented. The only reason I appear back in the table (after an absence of a couple of years) is because I used my call to test for glitches in the coding. I resent the fact that you imply the committee have some sort of hidden agenda here, its simply not the case. I would add that, other than a couple of comments you can see here, I have had significantly more privately by email, largely from members I have never met, congratulating the committee on the new format. It is interesting to note that the table has increased in numbers by around 20% since the changes have been implemented. Don't worry Ken, you are still listed at number 9 in the table and are quite likely to stay up there until the rest of us manage to obtain a similar set-up to you.
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Ken, G4IGO
Sun Feb 06 2011, 08:46PM
Ken, G4IGO
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Thank you for theses most enlighteneing and useful comments.
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Ken, G4IGO
Mon Feb 07 2011, 08:46AM
Ken, G4IGO
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Maybe to assist - an extra column for those using NOV's - to balance the QRP section?
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Trev, EA5ISZ
Mon Feb 07 2011, 10:28AM
Trev, EA5ISZ

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Hi again All,
I thought it best to clarify a couple of points that have cropped up by email.

1. If you have previously made an entry into the Standings table and it has now lapsed, there is no need to completely re-populate the table columns. Even though you might not appear in the listing, by selecting the 'Update' button your previous figures will be displayed and may be edited if you wish. Selecting 'Submit Updates' will ensure you are re-instated in the table. Simply put, even though you may have nothing to add to the table, if you wish to remain after 12 months has elapsed a two button press will ensure you remain for a further 12 months. The reason for this is to weed the visible table of entries from those who, for whatever reason, have given up on 6m for other things.

2. There is absolutely no need to populate every column of the table. If either you don't know what to put in a particular column or you don't wish to make it public, then leave it blank. This works for all columns except the Total column and call-sign. the call is automatically entered and the Total field, if at zero, will remove the entry entirely.

3. If you haven't considered making an entry so far then please do so, it doesn't matter if you have worked 2 or 200 countries, your input is very welcome.

I hope this helps, 73 Trev
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Johan, ON4IQ
Tue Feb 08 2011, 08:02AM
Johan, ON4IQ
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Joined: Wed Mar 19 2008, 12:21PM

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I opted for solution 4, don't participate in the standing tables and cancel my UKSMG subscription.
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