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UKSMG Summer 2011 Contest

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Trev, EA5ISZ
Sun Jun 05 2011, 07:16PM
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Its definitely the 6 character locator Stewart, I know from personal experience that it is often a struggle to get the full six characters from non contest stations, but it would be unfair on those who go the extra mile to get the last two letters to alter the rules post contest. As you may have seen on another thread we'll be giving everyone a chance to review the contest rules for next year. If you and others feel strongly enough about this aspect perhaps we'll change it for 2012. Cheers Stewart..
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Stewart, G0LGS
Sun Jun 05 2011, 09:21PM
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Trev,

Thank you for the clarification, it at least confirms that N1MM is actually getting things correct (even if it is not quite as I was expecting).
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Ian, G5WQ
Mon Jun 06 2011, 10:05PM
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hi trev .
i am thinking that what stewart refers to is that the n1mm contest logger [as setup for uksmg contest parameters] is classing all different 6 figure locators as multipliers .

ie if you worked IO81WT IO81WU IO81WV etc it is classing each as a multiplier even though it is the same major locator square .

however it might be that the scoring that takes place might require only the first 4 figures of the locator sq as the multiplying element ie IO91 IO80 IO82 JO90 etc ??.

could you clarify please if we use the first 4 figures of locator for the multiplying part or do we definately count each separate 6 digit locator as a multiplier even if its the same major square .

thanks , ian




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Stewart, G0LGS
Mon Jun 06 2011, 10:58PM
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Looking at the Entry made for our Group last year shows that the full 6 Chars of the Locator were indeed used for the Multiplier.

As I said before this is not quite as I would have expected for a VHF Contest, but if that is what is intended then so be it.

It has been suggested to me that the method described in calculating the score for this contest really makes the Grid Squares, DXCC's and Membership Number values more of a Bonus than a Multiplier - as a Multiplier is normally applied to the whole score not part of it !

[ Edited Mon Jun 06 2011, 11:04PM ]
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Trev, EA5ISZ
Tue Jun 07 2011, 07:03AM
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Hi both and thanks for the mail. First I will say I do not use N1MM's software and therefore have no direct knowledge of what it is doing (although I will find out shortly) What I can tell you is what the rules are intended to convey and what parameters I will be using when scoring the logs. First, the contest exchange to be valid must include the full 6 figure locator; if the station worked has not offered this then the points will not count. Second the scoring for locator squares only applies to the first 4 digits. As you both say it would be counter intuitive to do otherwise. If N1MM's software says otherwise, then logs submitted on that basis will be amended to meet the intended requirement. As I check all logs in some detail, this will not require any additional work than normal.

I'm not quite sure why this has become an issue this year; I didn't do the logs last year but I don't think that this aspect of the contest has changed. I'll take another look at the rules to ensure they are perfectly clear for the next contest.

Thanks, Trev
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Trev, EA5ISZ
Tue Jun 07 2011, 10:02AM
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Further to my last above, I have looked into the N1MM scoring and, as you suggest, it is attempting to score individual 6 digit locators as unique multipliers. This is not correct and you all have my apologies, we'll get it sorted for next time. In the interim, I'll adjust the claimed scores to match the intended scoring system; I don't expect N1MM users to have to make changes themselves for an error on our part.
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Dai, G8FXM
Tue Jun 07 2011, 05:09PM
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The N1MM team have been very quick in producing a fix to this problem. Anyone who has an N1MM log for the UKSMG contest who is willing to test it the link to the fixed version is as follows:



Just install this version and re score your log. If you do try it please let me know so I can give the N1MM team the all clear for the next release.
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Ian, G5WQ
Wed Jun 08 2011, 06:48AM
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tnx trev dave and all for the speedy response etc .
73 ian
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Stewart, G0LGS
Wed Jun 08 2011, 11:45AM
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I have installed and tested this Test version of N1MM and it seems to correctly count the Grid Squares using just the first 4 Characters.



[ Edited Wed Jun 08 2011, 11:46AM ]
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Dai, G8FXM
Wed Jun 08 2011, 11:53AM
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Excellent, thanks for testing this for me Stewart.
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